"If you wish to make an apple pie truly from scratch, you must first invent the universe."
— Carl Sagan
The larger image of Saturn was taken with 10" Meade LX200 a few years ago. The smaller images are both the same image, one flipped to match the larger image. The smaller image is a combined 128 x 0.1 sec exposures thru the AstroTech 111edt and TeleVue 5x lens, the larger image taken is a combined 60 x 60 sec exposures. I wanted to take 2000 images but ran in some trees. I present this to show the different sizes thru different scopes. Seeing the other night was 4 our of 10. Normal shooting of Saturn thru the AT111 would make it appear at a far distance (which it is anyway). Thru my 11" Celestron Saturn would be half the size of the smaller image without magnification.